TRANSCRIPT:

Brad Syslo:

We're here with Jake today. We're going to test out some of the different models of the G425 driver, the G425 MAX, SFT, and the LST, and kind of help you guys understand what these three drivers do and which one may be the right one for you if you're looking to test out the G425, which is ... From PING has been an improved model throughout the years, when they went from the G400, the G410, and the G425. It is definitely one of the most forgiving, highest MOI, and fastest drivers on the market today. But the three different models they serve different purposes for different people and what you're looking to accomplish with your driver fitting.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. I think with PING especially they've done a really good job making sure that they have models dedicated for different type of players, instead of trying to create one or two that just overlaps to a bunch of people. So it's nice to have a lineup. I fit well into one of these, I'll say, so it'll be interesting to see how the other two do and see what kind of player might fall into those categories.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. I mean, I definitely agree with you on that. I mean, when you look at the different models from drivers most people would say, "Well there's a new TaylorMade driver this year or a new Callaway driver this year." There is not really just one, there's several. And to the consumer and the player it's hard to understand which one may be right for them, and to see the differences come out of the numbers. I mean, we could tell you it's a half a degree launch or a couple hundred RPMs a spin. In the reality that might be true on a robot but when you get it in a player's hands and they start to react to things, and see different ball flights and so forth, that can change more than those numbers that they might tell you that it's off a robot.

Jake Morrow:

Awesome. All right, let's get into it.

Brad Syslo:

Let's do it. Getting a little faster.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

That's a thing to note about the family of drivers there, I mean, I'd say PING is known for one of their highest MOIs, the fastest driver.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

You know it's really we're seeing that.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. At address it's big. I mean, it's something that you feel like you can swing really hard and get away with a lot.

Brad Syslo:

It's not a 440 driver.

Jake Morrow:

No. No, it's definitely not. Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

Something to note, I mean, you don't play this driver, right? This is not in your bag but-

Jake Morrow:

No.

Brad Syslo:

... what's your take on the sound of this?

Jake Morrow:

It's different. I mean, it's not muted by any means. That's for sure.

Brad Syslo:

Right.

Jake Morrow:

What I'm noticing though is so I've hit-

Brad Syslo:

Three shots.

Jake Morrow:

I would call that probably my more regular shape there. That's still a little bit of a miss but I'd call that more my regular shape. But what I'm noticing is it gives you a lot of audible feedback on where you hit the face. Because the one that hit out of the center there was ... You could tell right away, dead nuts-

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jake Morrow:

... out of the center. For sure. And I like that and that's something that I want. If I make a bad swing I want my driver to react appropriately, right? I don't want to be surprised when I look up and watch my ball going, "Hey, what's happening?"

Brad Syslo:

I don't think anybody does.

Jake Morrow:

No. I'd always rather know what's happening if I do something bad than be surprised by it, that's for sure.

Brad Syslo:

We're very used to this room and hearing sound. And I think there's one thing to note is that drivers are all going to have a little bit of an acoustic difference, right? There is definitely acoustical engineers at all the big brands. There's not a driver out there ... And not to bad mouth it but rest in peace SasQuatch. There's not that thing that stands out anymore. They're all a little different but nothing just really is like, "Oh my gosh, I can never play that because of the sound." You know what I mean?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and looking at the numbers there and looking at those four different paths forgiveness is immediately what comes to mind because those were, I would say, four slightly different swings probably.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. Yes.

Jake Morrow:

Little bit different. But the fact that, I mean, if you're building a fairway there those are all out there. They retained a lot of speed, even on those off-center hits. That's pretty cool to see. I think we should probably take that and move onto the next one?

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. I mean, I think you made a great point is that you didn't really hit four, five dead nuts in the row center of the face. We kind of hit it-

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. No, those weren't robot shots that's for sure.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. We hit them all over, but they're all in the fairway or first cut of the rough. There's nothing that's, "Wow, I missed that. We're going to see a lot of movement on the golf ball." So that's pretty cool to see. I would say that's pretty typical for somebody that doesn't necessarily always hit the center of the face, maybe doesn't have a consistent slice or anything like that, this is going to be a very forgiving driver and a very fast driver.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. No, that's awesome. All right, let's move on. Okay, so PING SFT. The first thing I notice, as soon as I put it down, is I'm working with a little more loft here. So this is a 10.5 head, compared to the other samples we have are nine degree heads. Is there a reason for that?

Brad Syslo:

Well they don't have the nine degree in that model but something to note, I mean, that still is a degree and a half loft sleeve that they have there.

Jake Morrow:

Sure.

Brad Syslo:

And I think for that particular player the 10.5, the 12 that's going to be a little bit more up their alley.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

And we have that adjustability there still, so that's something to note on that.

Jake Morrow:

Okay. Yeah, that's perfect. And then looks like we got some heel weighting going on here?

Brad Syslo:

Heel weighting, not moveable. So that's 23 grams in the heel there. So that's arguably one of the most draw-biased drivers on the market here today. So if you're looking to prevent the right miss for you being a right-hander I think you're going to be really, really, really surprised with it. Now I know your natural ball flight is a little bit of a draw, so let's see what happens here. I'm kind of curious to see if we still see that or we see something exaggerated.

Jake Morrow:

Okay.

Brad Syslo:

Let's see what happens.

Jake Morrow:

All right, sounds good.

Brad Syslo:

That sounded smashed potatoes there.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, that one sounded good. That was ... Same thing we talked about earlier with the MAX, I mean, it feels like when you hit this correctly you know immediately. You know right away. That was probably a little high on the ... Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

Not veering too far from the center line though. That's-

Jake Morrow:

No. I mean, and it's taken that same shape from the first one.

Brad Syslo:

That's something to note, you're using the same shaft in all these heads, so there's no difference?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. No, so this is the same shaft that we're putting in and out of each one. It's also the shaft that I was fitted for, so we're not pulling anything here except for a straight up head test. Same length, same adapters, everything's the same here.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah-

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, so it's just the difference between the heads.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah, one variable, right?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. Absolutely.

Brad Syslo:

And that's something to note when you're getting fit, we start changing shaft, head, changing length, swing weight, I mean wow we're throwing a lot there, right? So we want to keep things very consistent and that's something, you know understanding the process of fitting.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

And that's something to ... That's pretty darn important.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

We don't know why it would work then, right? Super fast head.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, it really is. I mean, and we're definitely not missing right, that's for sure.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. And, again, to note your stock shot is you like to see the ball fall left?

Jake Morrow:

Definitely. Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

But we're not seeing like ... I think when people think of a draw-biased driver they're going to like hook it off their left foot right now.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. For sure.

Brad Syslo:

We're not seeing that.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, it's kind of ... It's interesting because I had seen ... It was something from PING and they had said that they're trying to change the marketplace of what a draw-biased driver could be. And they're saying that when you put that weight in the heel, for somebody like me who I tend to be a little on the heel side, is that weight behind that spot is actually supporting my shot instead of exaggerating it; whereas the person that gets a little wipe-y across, which is probably who you're going to go to for something like this, when that person gets a little wipe-y that weight helps them close the toe. So it's really ... It's one of those things where, like you just said, a lot of people that already hit a draw are afraid of the support that this could actually give them.

Brad Syslo:

Right.

Jake Morrow:

I think a lot of the times that does come down to the loft because they don't offer a lot of draw-biased drivers in those lower lofts. But it's interesting. I mean, and what we're seeing is obviously fairway consistent for what we're looking for here.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. You made a good point, I think for moveable weight being around as long as it has been and when we see a player that does lose it to right we put the weight in the heel. And you're a player that does hit it in the heel, so I think it's a really good fit. We have seen where there's a little bit more mass by the center of hit-

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

... so you do get the guy who wipes it a little bit. Maybe his path's a little bit more out to in, kind of ... I don't want to say sideswipe tow it but sometimes that support there does work. And there's a little bit more mass behind that hit and they do get faster ball speeds. Not saying it's for everybody but it's something to note. It's sometimes shocking sometimes where you might have a player that feels like they pick up ball speed, and maybe gets a little bit more support and stability behind the hit, even though it says that weight might be on the fade position. So that's a really cool thing you brought up and I think that's ... When you look at a lot of the manufacturers and the way they have to kind of spell it out for the consumer. They want a draw-biased driver it's always going in the heel. For you it does work and we're not seeing-

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

... like I said, a quick hook. I mean, those are really, really, really consistent. And we're-

Jake Morrow:

We're definitely taking out part of the golf course there.

Brad Syslo:

Yep, we're definitely taking out the right side of the golf course, for sure. But for a player like yourself I think it's understanding the fit or what you want to see, right?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

If you're a player like a Dustin Johnson, if you will, and wants to fade the ball, right? Well of course that's what that player wants to see. You want to see it fall left, that's what we're getting here.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

But without ... I mean, we're hitting fairways.

Jake Morrow:

Absolutely. Yeah. No, that's awesome.

Brad Syslo:

That's pretty cool.

Jake Morrow:

I think the other thing too I'm noticing is a touch more spin, but that makes sense for something like this, right?

Brad Syslo:

Yes. Yep. Yeah, I mean-

Jake Morrow:

That spin's probably going to help them. Like they're probably keeping the ball in the air at that point instead of [inaudible 00:10:40]-

Brad Syslo:

I don't think it's a shock that because you're up in loft a little bit, and again-

Jake Morrow:

Sure.

Brad Syslo:

... keeping in mind we're not maneuvering that with the loft sleeve, but we are seeing an increase in launch, an increase in spin. But for you actually we're getting a little bit ... A couple yards more carry. I'm not saying it's astronomical but we are getting a little bit more carry. But it's not going too high either. You're still getting, what I like to say, yards after the catch. Where it's hitting the ground, you're still getting some run out. So actually a little surprising. I think it's pretty cool.

Jake Morrow:

Okay. Awesome. All right, let's move onto the LST?

Brad Syslo:

LST now, yep.

Jake Morrow:

All right. Cool.

Brad Syslo:

So, Jake, we have the 425 LST. Now based off your current gamer this would make sense as probably the better fitting driver for you, out of the three models?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, I think this would be the closest. Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. And just putting it down, thrown it down for the waggle test real quick. From a shape-wise you've seen all three drivers now.

Jake Morrow:

Yep.

Brad Syslo:

And is there a big difference in cosmetic and confidence for you?

Jake Morrow:

I don't think it's huge but I actually ... I'm liking this one a little bit more because the appearance of it is it's just a tiny bit deeper and maybe a little shorter, so it gives you more of a little compact look, which is what I'm looking for.

Brad Syslo:

Right.

Jake Morrow:

Like last year I played a 440 head. This year I'm playing one of the more compact heads again. So this is something that, for me, it looks a lot better down by the ball.

Brad Syslo:

Right. I think a lot of players they ... I hear this a lot from guys, "I want a smaller head." Well, first off, there's not many out there.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. It's hard to find them, yeah.

Brad Syslo:

Second off you can hide shape a lot of different ways. And I think when you look at ... When people are talking 430, 440, 460 you have to understand what it is. It's a structure that holds water. And you can do that a lot of different ways to hide that 460 shape. And I think they did a really good job of that in this model and it's very pleasing to the eye for a lot of different golfers. But the LST in the most part this is going to be their lowest spinning, lowest launching model for this. Now we've seen some interesting numbers from the first two drivers.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, definitely.

Brad Syslo:

I'm really curious now to see what happens when we put that lower launching, lower spinning model in your hands to see what comes of it.

Jake Morrow:

Okay. Yeah, and we're going to start off just standard.

Brad Syslo:

Standard, yep.

Jake Morrow:

Nine degrees on this one. We got a little bit of adjustability in this one?

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. That one right there so that does have the weight where we can definitely ... Just like the MAX driver.

Jake Morrow:

Okay.

Brad Syslo:

Move it to a draw-biased, fade-biased. Now that is the lightest weight in their models, so that ... We're going to see weight move and we're going to displace that throughout the club but it's not going to be as heavy as the other ones. Now something to note is it does take a lot of mass-

Jake Morrow:

Sure.

Brad Syslo:

... and a lot of weight to move. It's not like we're moving two grams. And there are some companies where we see 60, 65 gram weights move an eighth or a quarter of an inch and people are like, "Well that's not that big of a deal." Well when you take that kind of mass, which is three times the size of that or as heavy, and you move it a quarter of an inch you're going to see some big movement.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

When you don't have that kind of mass and that substantial of a weight then you're going to be moving it, obviously, more. And then you see these track systems and things like that. So we should see some movement here but let's start stock and just kind of-

Jake Morrow:

Okay.

Brad Syslo:

We'll take a look at what happens.

Jake Morrow:

All right, sounds good.

Brad Syslo:

That would be something I would expect. You know-

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me by any means.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. When we look at the three models as a whole I would expect a little bit more of this here.

Jake Morrow:

Okay.

Brad Syslo:

CGs a little bit more closer to the face, when you move CG closer to the face we are going to see maybe a little bit more of a right tendency. When you pull it back away from the face and the club's going to have a higher MOI, it's going to be a little bit more draw-biased.

Jake Morrow:

Okay. So I'll right away say I pulled that one a little bit.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. And we're starting to see, kind of as we discussed earlier, a little bit what we expect is we're going to see lower launch, lower spin.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

And we're going to see that ball kind of knuckle and dive out of the sky. If we're in Palm Springs in August I think we're going to be happy with that. We'll see that kind of actual rollout when we're in Chicago here in ... I don't want to say June gloom but you might not see that quite a bit of roll, so let's see a few more.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely. Okay. The other thing too is the turbulators on the top. On this one it's way more noticeable.

Brad Syslo:

Is it?

Jake Morrow:

I mean, it's throwing your eye right to the center of the face for the ball. The other ones it was a little more subtle. This one you can really see it on these. That was a good swing Brad.

Brad Syslo:

Best ball speed of the day right there. And yeah, we're seeing that ball fall to the right, which is not exactly what you're looking for. But yeah, I mean, I'm seeing that ball fall to the right-

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

... and kind of dive out of the sky a little bit. And the turbulators what those are designed to do, and that technology's been around for quite some time here, but that's reducing the drag. It's keeping the airflow attached to the crown. They don't want to see it shoot up.

Jake Morrow:

Sure.

Brad Syslo:

Same thing when you look in some of the race cars and they have the spoilers on the back, and whatnot, or if you're flying ... Next time you're flying look at the wings, they have turbulators-

Jake Morrow:

Turbulators?

Brad Syslo:

... and some aspect of it on that. So that's going to reduce the drag and improve efficiency of the driver, so we're going to get more club head speed on that.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely. The one thing I will say too is ... So my gamer ... I play a low-spin driver and I play a low-lofted head lofted up because I'm playing with facing a little bit to try to close it down. Because, like you said, I don't particularly enjoy seeing that. But at the same time that now, other than what I pulled, it's super consistent. That is what I'm getting, so it's not disappointing by any means.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. I mean, you made a good point. I mean, with the PING driver while it does adjust loft it's adjusting face angle and lie as well.

Jake Morrow:

Sure.

Brad Syslo:

So nothing is decoupled. You change one thing you are manipulating all of those things. So if we do go to a small plus or a big plus we're going to add some loft, we are going to close the face, but that's a good thing for you, right?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

That's a good thing for us.

Jake Morrow:

Absolutely. Another good one. Yeah, look at that.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah.

Jake Morrow:

I mean, those are three balls that got to be pretty close to each other. Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

It's really interesting to see the ball curve. And why we look at the family as a whole it's a super forgiving family, between all the models. I'd be really curious, Jake, if we bump a little bit of loft in that-

Jake Morrow:

Okay, yeah.

Brad Syslo:

... and see what happens. I mean, that might be pretty close to the best thing we've hit today.

Jake Morrow:

Sure.

Brad Syslo:

You know with what we're seeing right now we are seeing the ball fall out of the sky, we're seeing that right tendency coming in, which is now, again, comfortable to you because when you think about the way you play the game of golf you're a guy who aims down the right center of the fairway and draws it.

Jake Morrow:

Yep.

Brad Syslo:

It's going to change the way you play the game of golf. You might be on the right side of the tee box now playing a little bit of a cut, unusual to you, might take a little strategery and getting used to on the course.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

But yeah, let's bump some loft back on that.

Jake Morrow:

Okay. All right, sounds good.

Brad Syslo:

So, Jake, now we got the LST, we bumped some loft on it. Let's see what happens with going up in loft a little bit, which will slightly close the face for you but it's going to give us the shape that we want to see.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. I think that's what I'm used to. Like I said, I play a low-spin driver with a little bit of loft on it, so let's see what this does.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah, let's see what happens.

Jake Morrow:

I like that height because ... I mean, when you talk about low spin like that's low spin. I don't-

Brad Syslo:

That is low spin.

Jake Morrow:

I very rarely see numbers maybe below 1,900, so it's very low spin but I think adding that loft ... Even though let's ignore the shape for a second. Adding that loft though is getting us enough height to keep the ball in the air instead of it kind of diving out.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. I mean, there is such a thing as too low of spin, right? And when we do see low spin numbers we start to see some pretty big curve on the ball. So I'm not saying that we want to see 3,000 RPMs of spin here.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely, yeah.

Brad Syslo:

But I would say for ... There's not too many golfers I've seen that are going to really find fairways and optimize their driver being below a 2,000 RPM spin.

Jake Morrow:

That's [inaudible 00:19:03].

Brad Syslo:

Yeah, we can do better than that I think.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, I mean even that though, like you look at that and that's ...

Brad Syslo:

Yeah.

Jake Morrow:

I mean, that's probably what I would consider a disaster miss if I'm not watching ball flight. And for where that ended up, I mean, it's not going to kill me.

Brad Syslo:

Right. Couple more.

Jake Morrow:

There we go Brad.

Brad Syslo:

So did you feel like you had to work on that to hit that shot shape? Because from a speed standpoint we got some of our fastest ball speed, our best distanced arguably today but we didn't see the ball turn over. Again, dead center of the fairway, you're like one mow line over. So I'm happy with that.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

But, again, it's how do you play with this on the golf course? And that's something I think we got to always remember in a fitting, especially from a fitter and a player, is we can look at these numbers and we can try to play a video game but in the end you have to go play golf with this.

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

And you got to be able to hit that shot that you want to hit on command, without trying to overwork it or change, manipulate your golf swing to an extreme.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. I think seeing how low spin this can get ... Because on that one what I ... I tried to get up a little bit more on it and just get a better path. And even that, like that's very low spin. So in the lineup, in the bays, who are you looking at to kill this much spin? I mean, because even for me like I'm not a high spin player, as you saw with the other two drivers.

Brad Syslo:

Right.

Jake Morrow:

So I don't necessarily need to kill spin. But even for somebody who is already low spin this killed it even more.

Brad Syslo:

Sure.

Jake Morrow:

Which would probably be pushing it a little bit.

Brad Syslo:

Sure.

Jake Morrow:

So who are you looking at for something like this?

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. I mean, I think you're going to have a lot of players, right? And you just made the comment of you felt like you hit more up on it, right? And I think that's something to note is when you have a golf club in the player's hand ... Again, not robot. This is you.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

You look down at something with not a lot of loft and then you might say, "Well I got to give it a little bit of this or a little bit of that," or if you gave a player a 12 degree driver and he starts hitting down on it more, and trying to manipulate that, that's going to change what we do. And the driver's ... It's the different club in the bag, right? It's for the most part to achieve the best numbers and cheat the system is high launch, low spin. The best players in the world and the best drivers of the golf ball are going to hit up on it. The guys who are hitting down on it they're going to not be as efficient, right?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

You look at a player that does hit down on it. Let's take Sergio Garcia, if you will.

Jake Morrow:

Sure.

Brad Syslo:

He's not going to stiff 1.5 smash factor ever. And if he gets to 145, 147 that's really good. And it's understanding we got to control that launch and spin for that player. For you that seems to be pretty level. Again, it's you looking down at the driver making sure we're not trying to manipulate it too much and it's out of your comfort zone.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. No, it looks great at the ball.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. Let's get me one more and I think we got some pretty good data here to show the folks the difference in these three drivers, and even this driver with a little adjustment.

Jake Morrow:

I will say I can see a little bit of loft added, for sure, when we did that sleeve adjustment but it's not as much of a face angle change as I thought it would be. So that's cool.

Brad Syslo:

Good ball.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, that's [inaudible 00:22:31]-

Brad Syslo:

Again, you hit it really hard. Great numbers.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

Great numbers. We're not seeing the ball fall left but I think that just shows the testament of how different these three drivers are from the MAX, the SFT, and the LST for a player like yourself and really all players. And I think this is something that from a player standpoint, as you sit in the bay here today, you're seeing that difference and it's standing out.

Jake Morrow:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No, that's super cool. I mean, people talk about it all the time, like, "What's the best driver? What's the best driver? What's the best driver?" And we can get some heat sometimes because our stock answer is, "Well you got to go get fit for it."

Brad Syslo:

Yep.

Jake Morrow:

And if something like this can't prove to people that you really do have to go get fit for it. Because even two of these at the exact same loft, like the first one and this one, very different shot shapes. Both very consistent, both super forgiving. That was the other thing that surprised me a lot about this is even killing that much spin super forgiving. Because I think I was ... I probably contained my center a little bit more on this one but I think I was a little off on a couple of them.

Brad Syslo:

Yep.

Jake Morrow:

And to have the ability ... This one I felt like I could really go at it. The first one, the MAX, that size of head will give, I think, a mid, higher handicapper maybe more confidence behind the ball. For someone like me I'm sitting at like right around a high single, let's call it, going to something like this that looks like this does ... Especially, like I said, those turbulators on this one are nuts. I feel like I can really go at this one. And to know that that ball's not leaving this fairway, even on a cut shape which is abnormal for me, it's cool to see. And it's awesome to see the big differences. I've never actually done that back to back for any brand of heads, so it was cool.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah, hit all three of them side by side, by side, by side?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah. No, that's very cool. Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. I think it's really neat to see that. And we're doing it here as fun and in a fitting it's hard to do that with every model, to hit three or four different Callaway drivers, three or four different TaylorMade drivers, three or four ... PING. I mean, there is a pitch count in a fitting, right?

Jake Morrow:

Sure.

Brad Syslo:

And there's an energy level and things like that. And we want to be very efficient. And I think that's why with our fitters we know exactly where to go, we know how things are going to perform. And that's something that's really important in a fitting is to monitor that with the player so you don't get gassed and where we start seeing kind of this slowdown of club head speed. I want to keep you fresh. And we're seeing this pretty instant. It's not like we're-

Jake Morrow:

Absolutely. Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

Yeah, we're not struggling to see a difference between these three drivers. And that's, again, a testament to PING and what they've made, and the three drivers that they rolled out. There's some differences and it just ... That's why the player needs to go get fit and test them themselves. Definitely the fastest is what's in your hands right now.

Jake Morrow:

Okay.

Brad Syslo:

It also gave us the best carry, the best total. From a ball flight standpoint, not shocking, but we saw the SFT go the highest, right? So it definitely had the highest and probably the shortest. But it's not ... With the three drivers before any adjustments of what's in your hands, I mean, we're talking carry numbers within three yards of each other. We're talking totals within about seven, eight yards of each other. So there is some difference. And, believe me, nobody wants to leave seven, eight yards on the table, right?

Jake Morrow:

Yeah.

Brad Syslo:

We want to max you out as much as we can.

Jake Morrow:

Absolutely.

Brad Syslo:

But with that little adjustment we did get the best carry for you, we did get the best total. I think overall flight, height-wise, was pretty good. Little unusual as far as the ball flight you like to see but, again, that goes down to the driver and what it is. And it's not to say that we could do more work, and grab a 10.5, and-

Jake Morrow:

Definitely.

Brad Syslo:

... see what happens there.

Jake Morrow:

Look forward to testing some more, huh?

Brad Syslo:

Yeah. Yeah, I would like to see this with some other brands too. It'd be pretty cool.

Jake Morrow:

All right, awesome.